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and you are right, future congresses can change. last year when we had the big debt ceiling fight and the budget control act and everybody was worried about that, we pass add budget control act and set limits on spending, we exceed them all the time. we bring up a point of order and they said we decided we don't care anymore, a year later. so they don't obey their own rules. it's why people are so frustrated with congress is he pass rules on ourselves like we are supposed to read the bills and brent them up and put them on line and we disobey the rules. the majority votes and say we don't care. >> we will hit the debt ceiling soon. two questions. one, would you agree for any reason to raise the debt ceiling, and number two, if we hit the debt ceiling, does this mean the americans will not get their tax refunds when they apply for them in january, february and march or will they be delayed? >> i would raise the debt ceiling under one condition and that would be a balanced budget amendment to the constitution. barring that, people in
and you are right, future congresses can change. last year when we had the big debt ceiling fight and the budget control act and everybody was worried about that, we pass add budget control act and set limits on spending, we exceed them all the time. we bring up a point of order and they said we decided we don't care anymore, a year later. so they don't obey their own rules. it's why people are so frustrated with congress is he pass rules on ourselves like we are supposed to read the bills and...
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fortunately, congress can prevent it from happening if they act right now. i just had a good and constructive discussion at the white house with the leadership in the senate how to prevent tax hike in the middle class. i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agre agreement as we speak. if an agreement isn't reached in time between senator reid and senator mcconnell then i will urge senator reid to bring to the floor a basic package for an up-or-down vote. one that protects the middle class from the income tax hike, extends the vital lifeline of the unemployment insurance to 2 million americans looking for a job. and lays the groundwork for future cooperation, more economic growth. deficit reduction. guys, i can hear you over there. i believe such proposal could pass both houses with bipartisan majorities. as long as the leaders allow it to actually come to a vote. if members of the house or senate want to vote no, they can. let even vote. that is the way t
fortunately, congress can prevent it from happening if they act right now. i just had a good and constructive discussion at the white house with the leadership in the senate how to prevent tax hike in the middle class. i'm optimistic we may still be able to reach an agreement that can pass both houses in time. senators reid and mcconnell are working on such an agre agreement as we speak. if an agreement isn't reached in time between senator reid and senator mcconnell then i will urge senator...
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republicans in congress are in the mid-20s. >> that's right, there's no question about that, tremont. obama has done a much better job of positioning himself to take advantage of the fiscal cliff. he has painted republicans is only caring about their millionaire and billionaire friends. taking hostage the people of america. you have steny hoyer saying that republicans want to take children hostage and threatened to shoot them. this is vilifying republicans and it has been incredibly effective. in the short term, absolutely, the president is set to take advantage of this. tax increases, massive tax reductions to the military. republicans really stand and the notion is appalling about who wins, but the republicans win because the economy is going to go out yet another fiscal cliff. george w. bush is not the president. obama is the president, he is not putting forth proposals to work with republicans. he will have to take ownership of this. they need to come up with a cohesive message about real economic growth and shrinking the size of government. they don't have a message and that is g
republicans in congress are in the mid-20s. >> that's right, there's no question about that, tremont. obama has done a much better job of positioning himself to take advantage of the fiscal cliff. he has painted republicans is only caring about their millionaire and billionaire friends. taking hostage the people of america. you have steny hoyer saying that republicans want to take children hostage and threatened to shoot them. this is vilifying republicans and it has been incredibly...
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gregg: that's right. we've been following not only the events on the floor but people stepping before microphones. here is representative jim moran. >> there are going to be voting sunday night and then probably watching the skins-cowboys fame in the cloakroom. then we'll, then we'll be in session on december 31st as well. gregg: what does he mean, we're going to vote sunday night? >> here's what might happen. both parties meet with the president today at the white house. they all say look, here we are on the precipice here. let's come up with something so we stop these tax hikes from happening on january 1st. let's come together and come up with kind of a stopgap deal. in other words, something short term. this is something congress will typically do when both sides are at an impasse. they find a way to get by for a little while longer. buy themselves more time. if they come up with a deal like that, the house is coming back into session on sunday night. it is highly possible they could vote on something
gregg: that's right. we've been following not only the events on the floor but people stepping before microphones. here is representative jim moran. >> there are going to be voting sunday night and then probably watching the skins-cowboys fame in the cloakroom. then we'll, then we'll be in session on december 31st as well. gregg: what does he mean, we're going to vote sunday night? >> here's what might happen. both parties meet with the president today at the white house. they all...
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you know six months from now we will be right back where we started from. that is the problem. >> laura: we are are almost out of time. but the democratic senate refuses to pass a budget. won't do it. can't do it. the president couldn't get a sing the vote for his own budget. the idea he is going to rush in from vacation and be the caped crusader rescuing us all from fiscal doom is absurd. a razzle dazzle spin move. even matt damon is giving up. >> that is just -- that is the most depress end to a segment i have h heard in my life. >> laura: we are out of time, guys. my goodness. someone has to lead at some point. >> i have my crash helmet on. we are going over the cliff. >> laura: next, a civil war among republicans in congress. will speaker benito survive the revolt? and later, president obama in the next four years. what will his second term mean for you and your family? we wil speaker of the house john boehner failed last week to pass a fiscal cliff pill after pushback from some conservatives. now, speculation that he might be pushed off the political c
you know six months from now we will be right back where we started from. that is the problem. >> laura: we are are almost out of time. but the democratic senate refuses to pass a budget. won't do it. can't do it. the president couldn't get a sing the vote for his own budget. the idea he is going to rush in from vacation and be the caped crusader rescuing us all from fiscal doom is absurd. a razzle dazzle spin move. even matt damon is giving up. >> that is just -- that is the most...
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they were both expected to be all right. that's good to hear. >>> that's it for the headlines. >> kelly: we want to get to something else. in about eight hours from now, the leaders of congress will meet with president obama at the white house. it could be the last shot to avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff. but is the meeting just for show or could we really truly be close to a deal? doug is live in washington with more details, what are we in for? >> to be a fly on the wall in this meeting. these are the players that will be there today. the president with congressional leaders from both parties to see if they can get something done. it may be substantive, it may be window dressing. >> any time you announce a meeting publicly in washington, it's usually for political theater purposes. nothing good ever comes from it. there is one thing you have to do in politics. if the president meets with a foreign leader, you want to make sure you know what's going to happen at the meeting. when the president calls congressiona
they were both expected to be all right. that's good to hear. >>> that's it for the headlines. >> kelly: we want to get to something else. in about eight hours from now, the leaders of congress will meet with president obama at the white house. it could be the last shot to avoid going over the so-called fiscal cliff. but is the meeting just for show or could we really truly be close to a deal? doug is live in washington with more details, what are we in for? >> to be a fly...